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== Similarity to 1983's "Battlezone" for BBC Micro ==
The concept of Ogre seems very similar to [[MC Lothlorien]]'s 1983 title ''Battlezone'' for the [[BBC Micro]]. The game is functionally similar to Ogre; players aim to prevent a single enemy tank (also called an Ogre) reaching the bottom of a 15x22 board using a combined force consisting of command posts, GEVs, heavy and missile tanks, infantry and howitzers. The Lothlorien game is exceedingly rare, which would make its inclusion on Wikipedia somewhat difficult.
 
I'll drop by and leave some source links - and have the presence of mind to sign in - at some point in the future. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/109.155.77.239|109.155.77.239]] ([[User talk:109.155.77.239|talk]]) 20:30, 6 February 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
== Category:Fictional tanks ==
<span class="template-ping">@[[User:Newimpartial|Newimpartial]]:</span> Regarding [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ogre_%28game%29&type=revision&diff=801142782&oldid=801013912 your edit], I meant that categories should reflect characteristics of the article's subject—in this case, the subject is a (real) board game and not a fictional tank. I recognize that the tank is a central component of the game, so perhaps [[:Category:Tanks in fiction]] would be appropriate. Do you have any concerns with recategorizing the article in that manner? -- [[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]] <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 00:15, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 
:<span class="template-ping">@[[User:Newimpartial|Newimpartial]]:</span> Ping. -- [[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]] <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 04:24, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 
::Yeah. I never really worked out whether [[:Category:Tanks in fiction]] is a great fit, since the game is rather off-centre for the category (and the Ogre is a fictional tank ''par excellence'' rather than a tank in fiction in the usual sense). However, after reflecting on [[WP:CATDEF]], I can't really defend the fictional tank categorization, so I have come to accept the inevitable. [[User:Newimpartial|Newimpartial]] ([[User talk:Newimpartial|talk]]) 17:33, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 
:::Thanks for weighing in. I know the line between ''fictional [X]'' and ''[X] in fiction'' can be grey at times—typically, the former is a [[Wikipedia:Set category|set category]] and the latter a [[Wikipedia:Topic category|topic category]]. Cheers, -- [[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]] <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|talk]])</sup> 06:04, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 
== GA Reassessment Notes ==
I opened the GA reassessment page, but also will insert some of the notes here that depict the quality of this article subsequently with the revisions being observed and the expansion of various sections, which have somewhat enhanced the articles. However, numerous suggestions remain desired:
 
1. General deficiencies in prose for GA:
But the REAL reason I came to talk: I remember the 1st version of the game had GEVs whose 2nd move was 4 hexes, so a fleet of GEVs could easily defeat a OGRE by move/shoot/flee. The 2nd version cut down the 2nd move a bit so the tactic was not nearly as effective. A smart rev although annoying to we GEV fans! [[User:Rewinn|rewinn]] 02:44, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 
Numerous especially short paragraphs typically comprising a single sentence are nevertheless present, including 'Publication History', with the first sections including acceptable detail but the later ones remaining especially superficial, with profoundly little information. Those are required to be enhanced in my opinion for GA status.
==GA on Hold==
*The second lead paragraph needs be sourced, how do we know the game was republished in 2000?
::Found one source for this, looking for another.
 
2. Lack of structure and focus:
*In the game description, it says the game uses a Mark III ogre, what does that mean, is Mark it's name or what?
::I tried to clear this up a little bit. I think it's called a Mark III Ogre in the same fashion that the [[Sherman tank]] was given the designation of M4. In other words, it's slightly arbitrary and, in the case of the Sherman, was decided by some bureaucratic mechanism of the US military. In the case of the game, I'm guessing (as I don't know Steve Jackson) that it was simply a "cool sounding name" for the heavy tank the attacker controls.
:::It's a good question; I wikilinked the first occurrence to [[Mark (designation)]] so that future readers won't have to ask. -- [[User:Gnoitall|Gnoitall]] ([[User talk:Gnoitall|talk]]) 22:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 
From my perspective, the article is flawed in structure, with sections and subsections of widely oscillating quality and length which remain an issue. The 'Other reviews and commentary' seem unnecessary given its relatively short and shallow content, and should in my opinion be combined with the 'Reception'. Despite several expansions of the 'Spin-offs' sections, try to add more information and references for the subsections of 'Video games' (e.g., a compendious summary on the game's differences with the original and reception), 'Role- playing games' and 'Books'. The 'Board games' and 'Miniatures and miniature wargaming' seems to have appropriate information but prose could be improved by enhancing detail and possibly either combining those in a paragraph or adding more details about each.
*The second paragraph of the game description needs to be sourced for verification.
::Added one source, and looking for another.
 
3. Numerous subsections possibly unnecessary:
*The last two paragraphs of the game description: it should be considered of moving it to somewhere like a Game reception section, or it can remain there, but what those two famous people thought of the game doesn't fit too much with it's description.
:: Moved to a section I called "Critical Reception".
 
Several aspects of the article remain largely unchanged, such as the 'Game description'. Despite the content being commendable in depth and detail, the division of the section into six subsections have resulted in some being scarce in detail and overtly short in length for a GA (e.g., 'Setting'). I believe that some of those could be combined (particularly 'Components' and 'Setting'.
*In the spinoff section, the paragraph about the ''G.E.V'' spinoff needs to be sourced.
:: Found one source, and looking for another one.
 
As of the article's current form, it still could not satisfy criteria 1, 2 and possibly 6. Therefore, significant improvements are still required in my opinion in the following week to ensure the article could still attain GA status. Once again thanks for your help and apologies for the negative coverage- [[User:VickKiang|VickKiang]] ([[User talk:VickKiang|talk]]) 23:59, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
'''Overall'''
*The article is written well, but there are parts that need to be sourced. Once these problems are addresses, please notify me on my talkpage.--'''''[[User:Truco9311|<font color="black">T</font><font color="blue">r</font><font color="black">U</font>]][[User talk:Truco9311|<font color="blue">C</font><font color="Black">o</font>]][[User:Truco9311/Guestbook|<font color="black">-</font><font color="blue">X</font>]]''''' 19:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 
== Steve Jackson Games ==
::Just noting my progress so far. Still not completed. [[User:Craw-daddy|--Craw-daddy]] | [[User talk:Craw-daddy|T]] | 21:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Ok, just notify when all of its complete.'''''[[User:Truco9311|<font color="black">T</font><font color="blue">r</font><font color="black">U</font>]][[User talk:Truco9311|<font color="blue">C</font><font color="Black">o</font>]][[User:Truco9311/Guestbook|<font color="black">-</font><font color="blue">X</font>]]''''' 14:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
::::I think I'm all done now. Hope it's all up to specs. :) [[User:Craw-daddy|--Craw-daddy]] | [[User talk:Craw-daddy|T]] | 21:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for appropriately modifying my edit. The article looks great. [[User:Gilbertine goldmark|Gilbertine goldmark]] ([[User talk:Gilbertine goldmark|talk]]) 14:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
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#:: {{#if:Pass:Good Job on replying to the queries. It is a good board game article.'''''[[User:Truco-X|<font color="black">T</font><font color="blue">r</font><font color="black">U</font>]][[User talk:Truco-X|<font color="blue">C</font><font color="Black">o</font>]][[User:Truco-X/Guestbook|<font color="black">-</font><font color="blue">X</font>]]''''' 21:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)|Pass:Good Job on replying to the queries. It is a good board game article.'''''[[User:Truco-X|<font color="black">T</font><font color="blue">r</font><font color="black">U</font>]][[User talk:Truco-X|<font color="blue">C</font><font color="Black">o</font>]][[User:Truco-X/Guestbook|<font color="black">-</font><font color="blue">X</font>]]''''' 21:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)|}}
 
Since SJG published more versions than MC should we add them to the infobox? [[User:Philoserf|—¿''philo'''''serf'''?]] ([[User talk:Philoserf|talk]]) 14:06, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
==G.E.V. stands for...?==
 
:More versions, and by a lot I'm sure. I assume the infobox can take more than one publisher, so why not. And thanks again for reassessing this article as B-class, it would be nice to see it get back to GA one day. :) [[User:BOZ|BOZ]] ([[User talk:BOZ|talk]]) 20:29, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
I played this game way back in the '80s and I knew what G.E.V. stood for. My memory tells me that it stood for something like "Gravity Assisted Vehicle", but I know that "E" doesn't stand for "Assisted". Does anyone know what it stands for? Google didn't help. Anyway, it'd make a good addition to the article. Amazing that no one has questioned the acronym before. &mdash; [[User:Frecklefoot|Frecklefσσt]] | [[User talk:Frecklefoot|Talk]] 18:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
:See the [[Ogre (game)#Game description| game description]]. G.E.V. = [[Ground effect vehicle]]. Cheers! [[User:Craw-daddy|--Craw-daddy]] &#124; [[User talk:Craw-daddy|T]] &#124; 18:47, 10 February 2009 (UTC)